In a 9-point loss you won't see many +'s in the +/- column of the losing team. Unless the losers have Mr. James Butler III. Jimmy had 25 pts on 7/15 (1/7), 10/14 ft's, 4 rebs, 8 asts, 1 steal, 1 t.o., 1 foul in 38' playing time for +11, which was far and away team high and...higher than any opposing Pigeon. By any name, he does it all, defense, offense, shot-maker, play-maker, ball-taker. He does what three other players do. He is a complete player, a player's player, the consummate teammate. He makes any team better.