ARE THE FOLLOWING TRUE:

-TEACHING IN SCHOOLS AND MOSQUES IN THE ISLAMIC WORLD DEMONIZE JEWS AND AMERICANS AND CALL FOR VIOLENCE?
-HAS THERE BEEN A GOOD MEASURE OF POPULAR SUPPORT FOR BIN LADEN IN THE ISLAMIC WORLD
-ARE THERE A NUMBER OF OTHER ISLAMIC CELLS LIKE AL QUEDA
-HOW REALISTIC IS OUR RELIANCE ON FRIENDLY ISLAMIC GOV'TS TO ARREST TERRORISTS
-HOW LIKELY IS AN ATTACK WITH A DIRTY BOMB
-WOULD A DIRTY BOMB THAT HIT MANHATTAN PLUNGE US INTO DEPRESSION

ONLY WAY TO GUARANTEE THAT THE ISLAMIC THREAT STOP IS TO EITHER SHOCK ISLAM INTO REFORM OR HAVE IT REFORM ON IT'S OWN. THE LATTER IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. MY SHOCK THERAPY OF TAKING OVER THE COUNTRIES AND IMPOSING A SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE WOULD PROBABLY WORK.

THE ISSUE IS PREVENTING A SMALL GROUP FROM GETTING A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION LIKE A DIRTY BOMB. AGAIN, THE BEST WAY TO PREVENT THAT WOULD BE TO HAVE THESE PEOPLE BE OUR FRIENDS. SHORT OF WWIII AND MARSHALL PLAN REBUILDING THAT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. BUT WHAT ABOUT THIS.

-BRING BACK MAD AND INFORM THE TERROR CRESCENT NATIONS OF IT. WE WOULD TELL THE ISLAMIC COUNTRIES THAT WE WILL NOT USE WMD FIRST BUT IF THEY ARE USED AGAINST US WE WILL USE THEM ON IRAN, IRAQ, LIBYA, SYRIA, PAKISTAN AND
-THAT DOCTRINE APPLIED TO NUKES AND PROHIBITED FIRST STRIKES. SHOULDN'T WE USE NON-NUCLEAR MILITARY ACTION AGAINST THE TERROR CRESCENT NOW.
-TELL THE GOV'TS OF HOSTILE COUNTRIES THAT THEY MUST DISMANTLE WMD PROGRAMS AND ALLOW UN INSPECTORS TO VERIFY COMPLIANCE OR WE WILL TAKE THEM OUT.
-THIS HAS GOT TO BE EFFECTIVE. WE HAVE TO BE ABLE TO KNOW IF THEY HAVE THEM. IF THIS CANNOT BE DONE, IF WE HAVE NOTHING BUT SPECULATION TO GO ON ABOUT THESE PROGRAMS THEN SOMETHING MORE DRASTIC LIKE TAKING OUT ALL POSSIBLE FACILITIES OR THE GOV'T ITSELF MAY BE NECESSARY. SAME WITH NUKES. THEY WILL USE THEM IF THEY HAVE THEM. IF THEY CAN MAKE A DIRTY BOMB FROM A COMMON NUCLEAR POWER PLANT THEN THEY CAN'T HAVE NUCLEAR POWER PLANTS. THIS PLAN IS DEPENDENT ON OUR ABILITY TO REALLY KNOW IF THESE COUNTRIES HAVE THESE THINGS. IF WE CAN'T KNOW THEN THEY WILL USE THEM ON US.
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COULD WE DO SOMETHING LESS DRASTIC AND ACCOMPLISH JUST AS MUCH?

MUST BE SURE THE WAR REALLY IS WITH ISLAMIC PEOPLE AND NOT JUST EXTREMISTS. MY EVID FOR THIS-POLLS, MEDIA REPORTS. IS THAT ENOUGH? IS THERE ANY OTHER EVIDENCE? ANY COUNTER-EVIDENCE? BROWN SAYS THE IRAQUI PEOPLE WELCOMED US. I'M CONFUSED BY THE IMPLICATIONS OF THAT. IF THEY WELCOMED US THEN WOULDN'T THEYAGAIN AND WOULDN'T THAT LEAD TO LESS BLOODSHED. BUT IF THAT'S THE CASE THEN ARE WE AT WAR WITH THE ISLAMIC PEOPLE? MY GUT IS THAT THEIR CULTURE AND RELIGIOUS TEACHINGS ARE IMPLACABLY VIOLENT TOWARDS US BUT MOST HUMAN BEINGS ARE GOOD AND THEY WOULD NOT KILL US AND THEY DO WANT SOME OF THE THINGS OF OUR CULTURE.

CONSEQUENCES OF MY PLAN:
-DEATHS.
-HOW MANY? PROBABLY NOT ALOT TO TOPPLE THE REGIMES, OFF THE EXPERIENCE IN THE IRAQ AND AFGHAN WARS.
-HUGE EXPENSE IN MARSHALL PLAN FOR ISLAM
-REINSTITUTON OF THE DRAFT
-LOGISTICAL AND MANPOWER NEEDS TO NEUTRALIZE THE CONQUERED STATES. SEIZURE OF MILITARY INSTALLATIONS, OIL FIELDS, AIR PORTS, COMMUNICATIONS OUTLETS. NYT 6-19-02 SAYS MILITARY SAYS ABOUT 250,000 TROOPS NEEDED TO CONQUER IRAQ, HALF THAT USED IN THE GULF WAR. OBVIOUSLY AN ENORMOUS FORCE WOULD BE NEEDED TO CONQUER IRAN.
-OUTLAWING OF ANTI-AMERICAN/ANTI-JEWISH RELIGIOUS TEACHINGS. WHAT KIND OF MANPOWER WOULD THAT TAKE?
-?SETTING UP SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE GOV'T?
-SAUDI ARABI FALLS AND WE MUST OCCUPY IT TO PREVENT CREATION OF A RADICAL ISLAMIC REPUBLIC.
-SAME THING IN PAKISTAN
-SAME THING IN EGYPT?
-JORDAN?
-TURKEY?
-UZBEKISTAN, ETC?
-ANTI-WAR SENTIMENT AT HOME
-WORLD CONDEMNATION LIKE HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN BEFORE
-VIOLENT ANTI-AMERICAN RALLIES IN EUROPE
-VIOLENCE BY MUSLIM POPULATIONS IN EUROPEAN COUNTRIES
-?TRADE REPERCUSSIONS?

WE CARRY OUT THE PLAN AND BUSH DELIVERS SPEECH TO BE BROADCAST IN ARABIC ALL OVER THE ARAB WORLD. WE ARE NOT DOING THIS BECAUSE WE HATE YOU BUT BECAUSE WE ARE GOING TO END THE THREAT TO OUR COUNTRY. WE HAVE NO INTENTION OF OCCUPYING YOUR COUNTRY BUT WE WILL TOLERATE NO VIOLENCE TOWARDS OUR TROOPS. WE WILL FIRE WHEN FIRED UPON. WE WILL HELP YOU REBUILD BUT WE WILL MAKE CHANGES TO PROTECT OURSELVES. YOUR RELIGION IS GREAT BUT IT HAS BEEN USED TO TEACH HATRED OF US AND OF JEWS. THAT WILL NOW BE AGAINST THE LAW. YOUR RELIGION IS GREAT BUT THERE WILL BE SEPERATION OF YOUR GOVERNMENT AND RELIGION.

WOULD MY PLAN WORK? CAN'T GUARANTEE IT BUT ALL STATES SUPPORTING TERRORISM WOULD BE DEFEATED AND THE CAMPS WITHIN THOSE STATES AND OTHERS WOULD BE CLOSED AND THE LEADERS ARRESTED OR KILLED AND THEY WOULD BE MADE TO STOP THE TEACHINGS. THE CANCER HAS SPREAD TO OVER 60 COUNTRIES HOWEVER, THE PHILLIPINES, AFRICA, EVEN MUSLIM COMMUNITIES IN EUROPE. THOSE LATTER ARE PRACTICALLY UNTOUCHABLE. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO, INVADE FRANCE AND GERMANY?

THIS WOULD HAVE TO BE DONE QUICKLY AND WITH OVERWHELMING POWER. CROSSING THE ATOMIC THRESHHOLD WOULD BE A LAST RESORT BUT WOULD HAVE TO BE USED IF DAISY CUTTERS, ETC WERE NOT ENOUGH. IF A-BOMBS WERE USED THEN THE LOWEST LEVEL RADIATIONS ONES AVAILABL SHOULD BE USED.

QUICK-RESPONSE INVASION FORCES WOULD HAVE TO BE READY TO GO INTO IRAQ, SYRIA, IRAN, PAKISTAN, SAUDI ARABIA AND EGYPT.

PLAN:

SIMULTANEOUSLY BOMB THE GOV'TS, AND MILITARY INSTALLATIONS, ROADS, BRIDGES,TERRORIST TRAINING CAMPS AND COMMUNICATIONS OUTLETS AND SECURE THE BORDERS IN IRAQ,IRAN, SYRIA, LIBYA AND WESTERN PAKISTAN, PERHAPS SOMALIA. BOMB TERRORIST CELLS EVERYWHERE, THE PHILLIPINES, EGYPT, SAUDI ARABIA, ETC.


KILL 'EM ALL VS GHANDI:

ROOTS OF THE CONFLICT. IS THERE SOMETHING BESIDES OUR SUPPORT FOR ISRAEL THAT WE CAN CHANGE? CAN WE CHANGE THEM WITH LOVE, WITH DIPLOMACY.

WHAT ABOUT THE ANALOGY TO BLACK CRIME? 40% OF BLACK MEN ARE UNDER COURT SUPERVISION. SOMETHING LIKE 30% OF PAKISTANIS SUPPORTED BIN LADEN IN THE POLL. COMPARABLE NUMBERS. ANTI-AMERICAN TEACHING IN THE BLACK COMMUNITIES, E.G. TO STUDY IS "WHITE." ARE WE NOT AS MUCH AT WAR WITH BLACK AMERICA AS WITH ISLAM?

YET I DON'T SUPPORT IMPRISONING ALL BLACK MEN OR EVEN MARTIAL LAW. I SUPPORT IMPRISONING THOSE WHO BREAK THE LAW BUT SIMULTANEOUSLY EFFORTS TO REHABILITATE AND TO GET TO THE ROOT CAUSES OF VIOLENCE: LACK OF EDUCATION, POVERTY, DISCRIMINATION.

CAN'T SOMETHING ALONG THESE SAME LINES BE DONE WITH ISLAM.

ACCORING TO AN ONLINE ENCYCLOPEDIA ON THE CRUSADES THOUGH, CHRISTIANITY SPREAD PEACEFULLY THROUGHT THE MIDDLE EAST BUT BECAUSE ISLAMIC TEACHINGS SAID GOV'TS SHOULD BE ISLAMIC ISLAM STARTED INVADING THE WEST EVENTUALLY ENTERING SPAIN! THE POPE CALLED ON CHRISTIANITY TO RESPOND AND IT DID AND THAT WAS HE BEGINNING OF THE CRUSADES. SO THIS IS MORE SUPPORT FOR THE VIEW THAT THIS IS ISLAM AGAINST US.

BUT ISN'T IT THE CASE THAT FROM THE END OF THE CRUSADES TO THE ESTABLISHMENT OF ISRAEL THE MUSLIM WORLD AT LEAST DIDN'T ATTACK US LIKE THIS. SO IS ISRAEL THE CAUSE? OR WAS THAT JUST AN EXCUSE TO RESTART THE ATTACKS ON THE WEST BECAUSE THE TEACHINGS STILL CALLED FOR IT? IF ISRAEL WAS THE CAUSE THEN THE CREATION OF A PALESTINIAN STATE SHOULD END IT. BUT I DON'T THINK ANYONE THINKS THAT WOUD HAPPEN.

WHY DID THEY BESIDES OUR SUPPORT OF ISRAEL? IF A PALESTINIAN STATE WERE ESTABLISHED WOULD THIS END. MY GUT SAYS NO.

HAVE WE DONE TO THE MUSLIM WORLD GENERALLY WHAT WE DID TO IRAN. OUR SUPPORT FOR THE SHAH JUSTIFIED THE CREATION OF THE ISLAMIC REVOLUTION. OUR SUPPORT OF THE SAUDIS WILL COME BACK TO HAUNT US IN A SIMILAR WAY. OR IS PERHAPS HAUNTING US NOW.

BUT WHAT OF EGYPT. ONCE THE MOST IMPLACABLE ARAB FOE OF AMERICA IT HAS BENEFITED ENORMOUSLY FROM MAKING PEACE WITH ISRAEL. SO WHY ARE SO MANY OF THE AL QUEDA LEADERS EGYPTIAN. SADAT WAS SEEN AS A SELL-OUT AND WAS MURDERED.

IS IT JUST A HATRED OF OUR CULTURE, OF LIBERALISM, PLURALISM, TOLERANCE, ETC WHEN THEIR CULTURE PREACHES INTOLERANCE. IF SO, THEN LET THE WAR BEGIN. BUT TO DO WHAT I PROPOSE, I MUST BE SURE THAT NO PEACEFUL SOLUTION, HOWEVER HUMBLING, IS NOT AVAILABLE.

OR IS THE PROPER ANALOGY, AGAIN, WITH NAZI GERMANY AND JAPAN. THERE WERE CERTAINLY ROOT CAUSE TO THE RISE OF HITLER; VERSAILLES IS CONVENTIONALLY BELIEVED TO BE A PROXIMATE CAUSE OF GERMANY'S POST-WWI HUMILIATION AS WELL AS CONTRIBUTING TO IT'S HYPERINFLATION. THAT DOES NOT JUSTIFY HITLER OR MAKE OUR WAR AGAINST HIM LESS JUST.

CONSEQUENCES OF THE BUSH WAY:

WE TOPPLE SADDAM HUSSEIN
-BUSHIES OBVIOUSLY BELIEVE THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED WITH A MINIMUM LOSS OF LIFE
-WHAT EFFECT ON THE OTHER ARAB STATES?
- THE BUSHIES CERTAINLY BELIEVE ISLAMIC OPPOSITION WILL NOT RESULT IN THE OVERTHROW OF OTHER ARAB GOV'TS

-EFFECT OF TOPPLING HUSSEIN
-DO WE DO SOMETHING TO THE RADICAL ISLAMICISTS IN IRAQ?
-DO WE END THE ANTI-AMERICAN TEACHINGS?
-DO WE SECURE THE OIL FIELDS, OCCUPY THE COUNTRY IN SOME MANNER OR JUST KILL HUSSEIN AND OUST THE GOV'T?
-PRESUMABLY WOULD END IRAQ AS BASE FOR TERRORIST OPERATIONS
-WOULD DO NOTHING ABOUT THE CAMPS IN OTHER ARAB STATES.

PRESUMABLY WE WOULD RELY ON DIPLOMATIC PRESSURE TO GET THE GOV'TS IN E.G. PAKISTAN, EGYPT, SAUDIA ARABIA TO ARREST TERRORISTS. AND TO GIVE US INTELLIGENCE.

BUT NOONE CAN BELIEVE THIS WILL STOP AL QUEDA AND AL QUEDA-LIKE GROUPS. THERE'S NO EVIDENCE PAKISTAN WOULD OR CAN OUST TERRORISTS IN THE LAWLESS REGION. THEY JUST CHANGED ADDRESSES AFTER THE AFGHANISTAN INVASION.

BUT WHAT OF THE NO NEW ATTACKS SINCE SEPT 11? ISN'T THAT EVIDENCE WE SHOULDN'T AND NEEDN'T GO WITH A WAR ON ISLAM? SOME HAVE BEEN FOILED BUT THE DIRTY BOMBER WAS IN THE EARLIEST STAGES OF PLANNING HIS ATTACK. THERE MAY BE OTHER GROUPS WHO WOULD LIKE TO DO THE SAME TO US BUT THEY DON'T HAVE THE MEANS. CAN'T WE TRY TO KEEP THEM DOWN WITHOUT STARTING WWIIII.

MY POINT WAS ANOTHER ATTACK IS COMING AND TO WAIT IS INDEFENSIBLE. AND WHAT IF THE NEXT ATTACK TAKES OUT OUR ECONOMY?